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hello everyone welcome to fare reversal 16 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:31,270 universe on the inception radio nuts 17 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:33,290 brought to you by the northern Wisconsin 18 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:35,450 Paranormal Society limited and the North 19 00:01:37,990 --> 00:01:36,890 Woods paranormal Resource Center here in 20 00:01:39,609 --> 00:01:38,000 Rylander Wisconsin 21 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:39,619 we're your host Kevin and Jennifer 22 00:01:44,859 --> 00:01:42,320 Malley hello everyone and hello to 23 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:44,869 everybody in the iron chatroom we look 24 00:01:51,039 --> 00:01:46,729 forward to your questions and comments 25 00:01:54,090 --> 00:01:51,049 as always iron chat comes the link for 26 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:54,100 the chatroom so come join us there 27 00:01:57,219 --> 00:01:55,970 tonight we're gonna be talking to 28 00:02:00,100 --> 00:01:57,229 psychotherapist and paranormal 29 00:02:02,740 --> 00:02:00,110 investigator Tom McGuire who is in the 30 00:02:04,630 --> 00:02:02,750 house with us tonight but before we dive 31 00:02:06,669 --> 00:02:04,640 into this interview let's do tonight 32 00:02:09,699 --> 00:02:06,679 shoutouts shoutouts go to those 33 00:02:11,559 --> 00:02:09,709 individuals and organizations who share 34 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:11,569 our show banners on social media every 35 00:02:14,949 --> 00:02:14,450 week we thank you kindly and appreciate 36 00:02:19,059 --> 00:02:14,959 it greatly 37 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:19,069 we have we have wal Christos thoughts of 38 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:23,450 Christos cindy-lou bizarro world Anna 39 00:02:33,789 --> 00:02:28,730 Eccleston Cody River hang radio Becky 40 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:33,799 sadly Marilyn burst Allen Larson Alison 41 00:02:40,259 --> 00:02:36,370 Jordan Lange stormy these Lee Williams 42 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:40,269 Don and Brent Elmer Steve Hemingway 43 00:02:48,819 --> 00:02:45,290 Beverly Bonin Watkins Jennifer Jason 44 00:02:52,090 --> 00:02:48,829 bland of paranormal soup Jake exam lows 45 00:02:55,210 --> 00:02:52,100 of JJ paranormal Howie Odell of the 46 00:03:00,280 --> 00:02:55,220 Orion effect and the rift Steve Foster 47 00:03:02,229 --> 00:03:00,290 and stormy Williams and thank you to 48 00:03:03,789 --> 00:03:02,239 everybody in the iron chatroom is well 49 00:03:06,550 --> 00:03:03,799 it's always good to see the regulars and 50 00:03:09,940 --> 00:03:06,560 the new people as well so thanks for 51 00:03:11,979 --> 00:03:09,950 coming on and okay so this evening we 52 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:11,989 have with us our good friend and 53 00:03:16,210 --> 00:03:14,329 colleague common wire psychotherapist 54 00:03:17,620 --> 00:03:16,220 and paranormal investigator with the 55 00:03:22,539 --> 00:03:17,630 northern Wisconsin Paranormal Society 56 00:03:24,490 --> 00:03:22,549 limited Tom is a licensed professional 57 00:03:27,490 --> 00:03:24,500 counselor and his co-owner of 58 00:03:29,289 --> 00:03:27,500 cornerstone psychological associates LLC 59 00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:29,299 and Rylander Wisconsin 60 00:03:34,899 --> 00:03:32,540 he's been counseling in the field for 61 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:34,909 more than 20 years Conn grew up in 62 00:03:39,970 --> 00:03:37,280 Chicago area he obtained his BA in 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:39,980 Psychology from Chicago State University 64 00:03:43,900 --> 00:03:42,290 and he has his master's of Arts degree 65 00:03:47,290 --> 00:03:43,910 in counseling from the governor State 66 00:03:50,850 --> 00:03:47,300 University in Illinois he specializes in 67 00:03:54,820 --> 00:03:50,860 helping veterans police firefighters 68 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:54,830 medical professionals and others with 69 00:04:00,699 --> 00:03:57,290 the stress reactions of dealing with so 70 00:04:03,850 --> 00:04:00,709 much exposure to trauma Tom is a veteran 71 00:04:05,559 --> 00:04:03,860 of the US Air Force tom has been 72 00:04:06,970 --> 00:04:05,569 interested in the paranormal for years 73 00:04:09,729 --> 00:04:06,980 some of his clients have been 74 00:04:12,100 --> 00:04:09,739 experiencing dealing with unexplained 75 00:04:14,050 --> 00:04:12,110 events in their homes Tom found out 76 00:04:18,789 --> 00:04:14,060 about the northern Wisconsin Paranormal 77 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:18,799 Society in October of 2013 and has been 78 00:04:23,770 --> 00:04:21,410 a member ever since Tom uses a scale to 79 00:04:25,780 --> 00:04:23,780 help families with stress of dealing 80 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:25,790 with the trauma caused by paranormal 81 00:04:31,510 --> 00:04:27,770 events they are experiencing in their 82 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:31,520 homes and it's always a pleasure and an 83 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:33,889 honor for us to bring on a fellow team 84 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:38,510 member who who worked we work with on a 85 00:04:42,730 --> 00:04:40,090 regular basis 86 00:04:46,570 --> 00:04:42,740 and we've had Tom on the show twice 87 00:04:49,029 --> 00:04:46,580 before in the four years once was for 88 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:49,039 our blue second year season premiere and 89 00:04:55,779 --> 00:04:52,910 the other time Tom and Damian but ran 90 00:05:00,210 --> 00:04:55,789 split an episode of the therapy was a 91 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:00,220 topic so tonight we have Tom with us 92 00:05:07,870 --> 00:05:05,450 here for a full hour so let's get things 93 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:07,880 rolling thanks for coming out in show 94 00:05:15,969 --> 00:05:12,110 Tom oh I'm so happy to be here again I 95 00:05:18,730 --> 00:05:15,979 hope people in the chatroom can give me 96 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:18,740 a lot of questions I I'm glad that you 97 00:05:25,719 --> 00:05:22,210 guys give me that list opportunity 98 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:25,729 there's another hit some more experience 99 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:28,690 from the last time I was on the show 100 00:05:38,310 --> 00:05:32,810 with the paranormal I feel like it's 101 00:05:41,409 --> 00:05:38,320 going to be useful and one of my 102 00:05:48,940 --> 00:05:41,419 important things that I want to discuss 103 00:05:53,350 --> 00:05:48,950 is what people in the psychological 104 00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:53,360 field understand about paranoia 105 00:06:01,659 --> 00:05:57,199 we'll hopefully make a difference by 106 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:01,669 talking about that yeah we'll definitely 107 00:06:09,070 --> 00:06:04,210 get into that design is important um 108 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:09,080 let's start with uh like this is a basic 109 00:06:13,089 --> 00:06:10,460 question but there's some people out 110 00:06:15,189 --> 00:06:13,099 there who probably they've heard of 111 00:06:16,899 --> 00:06:15,199 psychotherapy but they they may not 112 00:06:20,290 --> 00:06:16,909 exactly it may not click as to exactly 113 00:06:23,170 --> 00:06:20,300 what that is can you explain exactly 114 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:23,180 what psychotherapy entails like what 115 00:06:29,430 --> 00:06:25,610 your job what you do on a daily basis 116 00:06:34,180 --> 00:06:29,440 and all that stuff they'll be glad to on 117 00:06:36,790 --> 00:06:34,190 psychotherapy is basically to help 118 00:06:42,159 --> 00:06:36,800 people get through difficult times in 119 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:42,169 their life and help with some different 120 00:06:49,890 --> 00:06:44,090 stresses that they're going on whether 121 00:06:54,339 --> 00:06:49,900 it's financial stress or dealing with 122 00:06:56,820 --> 00:06:54,349 illness or dealing with relationships 123 00:07:02,529 --> 00:06:56,830 that they might be suffering from and 124 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:02,539 some people have anxiety and come up 125 00:07:11,409 --> 00:07:07,610 with depression and other symptoms and 126 00:07:14,529 --> 00:07:11,419 other problems that they feel the 127 00:07:16,959 --> 00:07:14,539 therapist can help them work so I meet 128 00:07:19,990 --> 00:07:16,969 with people outpatient pages which means 129 00:07:22,659 --> 00:07:20,000 they come for our session usually once a 130 00:07:25,659 --> 00:07:22,669 week and over time 131 00:07:28,029 --> 00:07:25,669 we help them work through what's 132 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:28,039 bothering them and also help them set 133 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:30,830 goals that at the end of these sessions 134 00:07:37,140 --> 00:07:33,650 I want to accomplish this or they want 135 00:07:44,409 --> 00:07:37,150 to improve their and so that's what I do 136 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:44,419 and that's what psychotherapy is you 137 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:46,370 know you work with people who suffer 138 00:07:52,930 --> 00:07:50,330 from PTSD right post-traumatic stress is 139 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:52,940 stress disorder right which is a 140 00:07:59,350 --> 00:07:55,490 specialty of yours can you talk about 141 00:08:00,909 --> 00:07:59,360 the PTSD for a bit before we discuss it 142 00:08:06,470 --> 00:08:00,919 in relation with paranormals 143 00:08:16,650 --> 00:08:13,230 you is a disorder that happens to a lot 144 00:08:21,420 --> 00:08:16,660 of different people everyone's heard 145 00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:21,430 about combat veterans getting PTSD some 146 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:24,460 of us maybe all of us that experience a 147 00:08:29,460 --> 00:08:27,010 time in our life like if we were in a 148 00:08:33,959 --> 00:08:29,470 traumatic situation like a car accident 149 00:08:40,409 --> 00:08:33,969 or we're dealing with a death of a loved 150 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:40,419 one or we're in a dangerous situation 151 00:08:50,010 --> 00:08:44,910 that occurs even little children 152 00:08:52,740 --> 00:08:50,020 sometimes develop symptoms if something 153 00:08:55,140 --> 00:08:52,750 happens to them they perceive it being 154 00:08:56,730 --> 00:08:55,150 dangerous to them and so they might have 155 00:09:00,210 --> 00:08:56,740 some reactions and change their 156 00:09:02,730 --> 00:09:00,220 behaviors or withdrawal things are 157 00:09:05,310 --> 00:09:02,740 getting really scared and are really 158 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:05,320 anxious at times and if it everybody 159 00:09:09,990 --> 00:09:07,390 does then at first when you have 160 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:10,000 something you're afraid of but if it's 161 00:09:16,380 --> 00:09:13,470 persistent and it keeps interfering with 162 00:09:19,470 --> 00:09:16,390 with your life and it changes you in 163 00:09:22,290 --> 00:09:19,480 certain ways that aren't healthy even 164 00:09:27,210 --> 00:09:22,300 even children can develop post-traumatic 165 00:09:29,970 --> 00:09:27,220 stress symptoms if it lasts more than a 166 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:29,980 month people are really suffering in it 167 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:33,910 then they forget given the diagnosis of 168 00:09:42,390 --> 00:09:38,530 the disorder and so some things that 169 00:09:44,610 --> 00:09:42,400 happen is people have nightmares about 170 00:09:47,579 --> 00:09:44,620 what happened whether they have dreams 171 00:09:52,170 --> 00:09:47,589 about safety like if somebody's chasing 172 00:09:54,470 --> 00:09:52,180 them or they're a fearful dream it 173 00:09:57,540 --> 00:09:54,480 doesn't always has to be about the event 174 00:10:00,720 --> 00:09:57,550 also it's like regulations things that 175 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:00,730 remind them of the event that could 176 00:10:09,510 --> 00:10:05,290 occur like you know say a little child a 177 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:09,520 bird came down and you know hit him in 178 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:11,290 the head or something accidentally with 179 00:10:15,570 --> 00:10:13,990 the wing that could be really traumatic 180 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:15,580 and then they might be afraid of birds 181 00:10:20,770 --> 00:10:17,810 for a while 182 00:10:22,390 --> 00:10:20,780 an adult could hit up a venire car 183 00:10:24,790 --> 00:10:22,400 accident where they have the slam on the 184 00:10:31,390 --> 00:10:24,800 brakes and avoid getting hit but they 185 00:10:33,850 --> 00:10:31,400 sometimes they don't get over and some 186 00:10:36,070 --> 00:10:33,860 people get obsessing about that so much 187 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:36,080 that they they have to stay out driving 188 00:10:42,370 --> 00:10:37,730 and they can't drive but otherwise it 189 00:10:46,260 --> 00:10:42,380 there - the fear comes up so a lot of 190 00:10:49,590 --> 00:10:46,270 times it's it's something simpler than 191 00:10:51,990 --> 00:10:49,600 what we typically think of as a 192 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:52,000 dangerous situation but it's all 193 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:55,730 perceived by the person so you know a 194 00:11:01,120 --> 00:10:57,890 four-year-old that gets hit by a bird 195 00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:01,130 could with a really scary thing and they 196 00:11:05,980 --> 00:11:02,630 could develop some symptoms 197 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:05,990 yeah we're an adult that has something 198 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:10,630 happened to them it can develop into 199 00:11:16,180 --> 00:11:13,370 symptoms too even though that might not 200 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:16,190 have been really in danger and that 201 00:11:23,290 --> 00:11:19,370 makes sense you know like oh my god you 202 00:11:25,630 --> 00:11:23,300 know what maybe one person's problem is 203 00:11:27,820 --> 00:11:25,640 not someone else's problem but to that 204 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:27,830 individual that's to them at the time 205 00:11:30,370 --> 00:11:29,330 the biggest problem in the world you 206 00:11:32,290 --> 00:11:30,380 know like a kid for instance like you 207 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:32,300 said something happens and to them it's 208 00:11:36,579 --> 00:11:34,730 the biggest deal and we look at it's 209 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:36,589 like it's not a big deal what to them it 210 00:11:42,990 --> 00:11:40,130 is speaking of speaking of that we have 211 00:11:47,950 --> 00:11:43,000 a question for you in the chatroom 212 00:11:50,579 --> 00:11:47,960 questions already okay yeah max would 213 00:11:54,010 --> 00:11:50,589 like to max this question comes from max 214 00:11:56,470 --> 00:11:54,020 I lost my son ten years ago at the age 215 00:12:01,450 --> 00:11:56,480 of 17 and I have not been quite right 216 00:12:07,090 --> 00:12:01,460 since is this normal or not no one can 217 00:12:11,020 --> 00:12:07,100 put a timeline on someone's grief I'm 218 00:12:13,540 --> 00:12:11,030 sorry for your loss miss it it really 219 00:12:17,140 --> 00:12:13,550 hurts if you lose a child that's the 220 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:17,150 worst thing a parent could have happened 221 00:12:29,550 --> 00:12:26,320 don't worry about it if it's taken a 222 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:29,560 long time to feel better but if it's 223 00:12:37,210 --> 00:12:33,890 it's just natural to think about your 224 00:12:40,930 --> 00:12:37,220 son and have feelings about it yes if 225 00:12:44,380 --> 00:12:40,940 you feel that what's going on with you 226 00:12:47,890 --> 00:12:44,390 is so much that it you can't focus at 227 00:12:55,990 --> 00:12:47,900 work or you're crying every day and it's 228 00:12:59,920 --> 00:12:56,000 really interfering with what who you are 229 00:13:02,800 --> 00:12:59,930 I know that if you believe in the 230 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:02,810 afterlife that your son doesn't want to 231 00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:04,220 just suffer like that 232 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:06,110 so sometimes it's helpful to see if they 233 00:13:10,510 --> 00:13:07,730 are oppressed for a while to get through 234 00:13:13,980 --> 00:13:10,520 those intense feelings so you feel more 235 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:15,850 good luck to you man 236 00:13:21,210 --> 00:13:19,130 you know I can't wait to with that as 237 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:21,220 well and end of this it is 238 00:13:26,890 --> 00:13:23,510 there's definitely ups and downs and I 239 00:13:29,710 --> 00:13:26,900 think something like that you know that 240 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:29,720 I don't think people truly get older 241 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:33,170 they it depends on one's definition I 242 00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:37,060 guess but it's certainly something where 243 00:13:46,420 --> 00:13:41,600 like I still you know Tarot and you know 244 00:13:49,570 --> 00:13:46,430 what not and you know I find out it's 245 00:13:51,490 --> 00:13:49,580 getting better with time and I also find 246 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:51,500 all that sometimes the things can 247 00:13:56,050 --> 00:13:53,570 trigger a thought like I won't even be 248 00:13:57,610 --> 00:13:56,060 thinking about it and just some random 249 00:14:02,260 --> 00:13:57,620 thing will trigger a thought and I'll 250 00:14:06,970 --> 00:14:02,270 just take you right back there my god 251 00:14:06,980 --> 00:14:12,230 [Music] 252 00:14:17,150 --> 00:14:14,000 I know what Jennifer and I believe that 253 00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:17,160 you know every paranormal team that 254 00:14:22,490 --> 00:14:18,510 works with individuals and families 255 00:14:24,350 --> 00:14:22,500 should at least have one person with 256 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:24,360 psychological background to help assess 257 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:29,010 situations at hand because there's a lot 258 00:14:32,930 --> 00:14:30,810 of different angles I mean it may not 259 00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:32,940 just be assessing but it may be noticing 260 00:14:38,180 --> 00:14:36,000 red flags and maybe things that could be 261 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:38,190 done like you know I'm losing a loved 262 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:42,000 one is certainly the hardest there are 263 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:45,360 other things too you know which which to 264 00:14:49,699 --> 00:14:47,310 be you know no I'm just 265 00:14:58,220 --> 00:14:49,709 thus the the end of your title which is 266 00:15:01,880 --> 00:14:58,230 therapist therapy and let's see but it's 267 00:15:03,230 --> 00:15:01,890 you where where am I here oh yeah it's 268 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:03,240 not always easy to find a qualified 269 00:15:07,010 --> 00:15:04,890 individual though who's willing to do 270 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:07,020 paranormal work although that certainly 271 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:08,459 change as a paranormal taboo 272 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:12,690 disintegrates can you tell us why you 273 00:15:21,740 --> 00:15:15,510 decided to pursue serious paranormal 274 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:21,750 research and investigation well I've 275 00:15:27,710 --> 00:15:24,810 always wanted to be a helper and so 276 00:15:31,439 --> 00:15:27,720 that's one reason I really felt good 277 00:15:37,739 --> 00:15:34,259 what a matchup and what a t-mike 278 00:15:40,259 --> 00:15:37,749 MetroPCS in the iPhone se for $0 on a 279 00:15:43,769 --> 00:15:40,269 network that covers 99% of people in the 280 00:15:45,780 --> 00:15:43,779 u.s. wholly impressive play with the 281 00:15:47,699 --> 00:15:45,790 best switch to metro pcs and an 282 00:15:51,119 --> 00:15:47,709 unlimited LTE plan and get a 32 gig 283 00:15:52,530 --> 00:15:51,129 iPhone se for $0 MetroPCS covers not 284 00:15:53,909 --> 00:15:52,540 available in some areas plus sales tax 285 00:15:55,049 --> 00:15:53,919 claim based on talking text not know 286 00:15:56,579 --> 00:15:55,059 attractive numbers currently on the 287 00:15:58,349 --> 00:15:56,589 t-mobile network are active on metro pcs 288 00:16:02,249 --> 00:15:58,359 in the past 90 days C store for details 289 00:16:05,970 --> 00:16:02,259 in terms conditions of being a counselor 290 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:05,980 the psychotherapist and I've always been 291 00:16:12,119 --> 00:16:09,040 interested in in the paranormal you know 292 00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:12,129 when those hunters came on TV I watched 293 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:15,279 every episode and really came to believe 294 00:16:20,669 --> 00:16:18,160 that there I already believed that there 295 00:16:25,829 --> 00:16:20,679 was an afterlife and it makes sense that 296 00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:25,839 some spirits have things they want to do 297 00:16:33,179 --> 00:16:29,499 before they move on and I believe some 298 00:16:35,669 --> 00:16:33,189 of them can be confused when they die 299 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:35,679 especially if it's traumatic 300 00:16:41,099 --> 00:16:38,049 so even spirits might hit some 301 00:16:43,650 --> 00:16:41,109 post-traumatic stress symptoms yeah with 302 00:16:47,460 --> 00:16:43,660 confusion or not realizing they're dead 303 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:47,470 or maybe other spirits might have 304 00:16:56,039 --> 00:16:49,929 something they want to do before they 305 00:17:02,129 --> 00:16:56,049 move on make amends to people over stick 306 00:17:04,529 --> 00:17:02,139 around to help family members and one 307 00:17:08,189 --> 00:17:04,539 thing that Jennifer and I are thinking 308 00:17:12,090 --> 00:17:08,199 of doing is we already found one spirit 309 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:12,100 that is that way and needs some help to 310 00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:16,000 move on so we're planning on going where 311 00:17:24,139 --> 00:17:20,079 that spirit is residing and see if we 312 00:17:28,439 --> 00:17:24,149 can own which was Jennifer's hope 313 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:28,449 picking up what the spirit is thinking 314 00:17:36,779 --> 00:17:33,370 about or talking to her about and hoping 315 00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:36,789 our hope and jennifer help communicate 316 00:17:43,649 --> 00:17:41,440 with its spirit to resolve issues that 317 00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:43,659 make them making them stick around here 318 00:17:48,730 --> 00:17:44,720 so that's something 319 00:17:50,860 --> 00:17:48,740 we haven't been able to do that yet but 320 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:50,870 that's one of our plans I don't know if 321 00:17:59,769 --> 00:17:54,610 there's any anybody know if any other 322 00:18:01,899 --> 00:17:59,779 groups here him done that what let us 323 00:18:05,649 --> 00:18:01,909 know that we better be neat to get 324 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:05,659 information about it yeah it's hard to 325 00:18:13,139 --> 00:18:09,049 find uh I it's hard to define either you 326 00:18:16,259 --> 00:18:13,149 know a good psychic or a psychotherapist 327 00:18:19,299 --> 00:18:16,269 willing to work in the paranormal field 328 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:19,309 what to find both of them in the same 329 00:18:26,379 --> 00:18:24,080 spot that are you know on the same page 330 00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:26,389 and willing to do that I think it's rare 331 00:18:30,879 --> 00:18:28,700 I I don't know it's extremely rare yeah 332 00:18:32,139 --> 00:18:30,889 and uh so that's yeah and we were just 333 00:18:35,830 --> 00:18:32,149 talking about that before we got on the 334 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:35,840 show um that's something that's coming 335 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:38,000 up soon that that's gonna be quite 336 00:18:44,169 --> 00:18:41,120 interesting to see how that goes and you 337 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:44,179 know to see how it plays out and uh you 338 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:46,490 know absolutely yeah we're actually 339 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:48,049 thinking about starting that next year 340 00:18:51,490 --> 00:18:49,250 because there are a couple of places 341 00:18:55,180 --> 00:18:51,500 that we've been to the past that we've 342 00:18:57,249 --> 00:18:55,190 been at in the past where spirits would 343 00:18:58,509 --> 00:18:57,259 like to cross over and necessarily are 344 00:19:00,580 --> 00:18:58,519 having a hard time fighting their way 345 00:19:02,710 --> 00:19:00,590 whether it's the lack of light or 346 00:19:04,389 --> 00:19:02,720 whether it's because they just need to 347 00:19:07,330 --> 00:19:04,399 find closure see if they have any 348 00:19:09,399 --> 00:19:07,340 messages see if there's anything we can 349 00:19:11,860 --> 00:19:09,409 help them with to make their transition 350 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:11,870 to the other side over a little bit 351 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:19,460 easier yeah you know one of my roles 352 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:24,590 that I enjoy is helping the families 353 00:19:32,350 --> 00:19:29,529 because sometimes when they pick up some 354 00:19:36,009 --> 00:19:32,360 paranormal events in their homes and 355 00:19:38,649 --> 00:19:36,019 it's been going on for well a lot of 356 00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:38,659 times people develop post-traumatic 357 00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:41,870 stress symptoms that they might need to 358 00:19:48,999 --> 00:19:44,149 deal with if they get scared often or 359 00:19:52,690 --> 00:19:49,009 startled or you know and they get tired 360 00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,700 they can't sleep well and maybe they get 361 00:19:56,140 --> 00:19:54,799 irritable and start arguing with each 362 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:56,150 other 363 00:20:00,030 --> 00:19:57,510 [Music] 364 00:20:01,740 --> 00:20:00,040 in my role I can help the family 365 00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:01,750 understand how to cope with what's going 366 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:05,500 on as well as the rest of the team 367 00:20:12,930 --> 00:20:10,030 working on doing what we can to make the 368 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:12,940 the atmosphere in a home improved if 369 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:16,450 there's a but dark entity or if there's 370 00:20:28,950 --> 00:20:24,370 just good spirits we can help the family 371 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:28,960 understand what's what they and accept 372 00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,890 what's what's happening and help 373 00:20:38,790 --> 00:20:34,960 validate that what's going on with them 374 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:38,800 isn't just done hallucinating and making 375 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:40,440 sure they understand they're not crazy 376 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:44,650 um I think it's really important so I 377 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:47,050 encourage any psychotherapists out there 378 00:20:53,070 --> 00:20:50,650 don't just normally assume that it's 379 00:21:00,150 --> 00:20:53,080 hallucinating - people are loosening or 380 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:00,160 it's a explainable cause for what 381 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:01,690 they're what's going through since 382 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:06,490 sometimes it's not explainable it's 383 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:09,850 important to more psychotherapists are 384 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:12,010 open in dance so they don't have 385 00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:14,590 somebody on medication for elucidating 386 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:17,440 when the person isn't really who listen 387 00:21:22,830 --> 00:21:20,290 Amy that's a good point and that was my 388 00:21:24,450 --> 00:21:22,840 next question which was do you think 389 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:24,460 there are times when people may go 390 00:21:29,910 --> 00:21:26,650 through go to see a psychotherapist or 391 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:29,920 psychologist for things that they are 392 00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,610 experiencing and the experiences are 393 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:34,960 misdiagnosed as mental health issues 394 00:21:41,100 --> 00:21:37,300 like you just said when it may be an 395 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:41,110 exterior issue opposed to an internal 396 00:21:49,470 --> 00:21:43,330 issue like paranormal activity for 397 00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,480 example and you know and we were we were 398 00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:51,280 talking before - that can go both ways I 399 00:21:58,440 --> 00:21:55,600 mean there are I know there are may not 400 00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,450 happen all the time and it may be rare 401 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:00,400 but I know you know there have been 402 00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:03,730 cases where people have been diagnosed 403 00:22:09,900 --> 00:22:07,320 as you know having some kind of disorder 404 00:22:15,260 --> 00:22:09,910 when 405 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:15,270 they have been later on treated will say 406 00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:18,250 with theology says psychology you know 407 00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:19,860 where they'll have a deliverance 408 00:22:26,130 --> 00:22:24,400 exorcism and their cure you know and all 409 00:22:27,740 --> 00:22:26,140 of a sudden whatever you know was 410 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:27,750 diagnosed as a mental health issue 411 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:31,360 wasn't that it was you know there was 412 00:22:36,150 --> 00:22:33,190 something else because you know there 413 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:36,160 are cases where people get cured on you 414 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:37,809 know whether not just mental 415 00:22:42,419 --> 00:22:39,460 but with physical elements two people 416 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:42,429 have had physical ailments and you know 417 00:22:45,419 --> 00:22:44,289 they've had uh you know I'm calling 418 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:45,429 miracle well you have a whole 419 00:22:50,610 --> 00:22:48,010 congregation pray for the person um 420 00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:50,620 you know and and then something happens 421 00:22:53,730 --> 00:22:52,150 and they go see the doctor and I think 422 00:22:57,500 --> 00:22:53,740 it's fine like they can't find any 423 00:23:00,600 --> 00:22:57,510 symptoms when before they thought it was 424 00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:00,610 progressing and serious and whatnot so I 425 00:23:03,810 --> 00:23:02,169 just think stuff like that's amazing so 426 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:03,820 uh that's a good point that you know we 427 00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,710 shouldn't you can't throw the baby out 428 00:23:12,980 --> 00:23:07,120 with the bathwater all the time 429 00:23:12,990 --> 00:23:18,230 just another thing I'd like to know is 430 00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,840 how well I see this but how can a 431 00:23:26,399 --> 00:23:24,159 psychotherapist help individuals deal 432 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:26,409 with reoccurring perceived paranoia 433 00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:31,510 activity um see if someone has to go 434 00:23:38,430 --> 00:23:36,070 it's to a situation again again and 435 00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:38,440 again and again it's very difficult for 436 00:23:46,350 --> 00:23:41,020 them to cope and having a paranormal 437 00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:46,360 team and realizing it's not that it it's 438 00:23:52,289 --> 00:23:49,500 a really good paranormal team that has 439 00:23:57,779 --> 00:23:52,299 values in when if their goal is to help 440 00:24:01,529 --> 00:23:57,789 others it seems to make a big difference 441 00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:01,539 in their lives they can call and connect 442 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:05,110 touch base with the team on you know for 443 00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:07,510 months if necessary so you get that 444 00:24:20,530 --> 00:24:16,310 I would teach the family skills how to 445 00:24:23,780 --> 00:24:20,540 relieve that anxiety and stress that 446 00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:23,790 naturally accompany them when there's 447 00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:26,340 activities in their home and the other 448 00:24:33,500 --> 00:24:28,860 part of it of course is the team itself 449 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:33,510 is trying to resolve whatever is in the 450 00:24:41,140 --> 00:24:35,610 home and find reasons for the recurring 451 00:24:45,890 --> 00:24:41,150 and try to change the atmosphere of the 452 00:24:48,980 --> 00:24:45,900 of the residents and results of it it's 453 00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:48,990 things so there there would be a better 454 00:24:55,910 --> 00:24:52,470 environment and easier to get rid of the 455 00:24:59,390 --> 00:24:55,920 symptoms that they have it causing them 456 00:25:02,030 --> 00:24:59,400 stress you know we also look at other 457 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:02,040 things going on in the in the family's 458 00:25:06,790 --> 00:25:03,570 life we just don't look at the 459 00:25:10,340 --> 00:25:06,800 paranormal Luke we look at the whole 460 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:10,350 system that the family is going through 461 00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:13,530 try to try to make things better in 462 00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:15,750 different ways and lead them to 463 00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:22,620 different ideas about support and bits 464 00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:26,960 works out pretty good for us as a team 465 00:25:34,820 --> 00:25:33,120 yeah when when we get a case I mean we 466 00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,830 can't it's so important that we just 467 00:25:38,060 --> 00:25:36,600 don't jump to the paranormal conclusion 468 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:38,070 that we rule everything else all at 469 00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:39,810 first and back in peril and that's you 470 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:42,900 know that's what should be done it 471 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,570 should be the last thing that you look 472 00:25:49,550 --> 00:25:48,000 at you know like in other words rule 473 00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,560 everything else out first anything like 474 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:50,880 that it could be this or it could be 475 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:54,090 that and a lot of situations it's not 476 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:56,010 just one thing that needs to be done to 477 00:26:02,590 --> 00:25:57,930 resolve whatever issue they're having 478 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:02,600 but it's several things um you know like 479 00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:07,890 saying you know my god well you they're 480 00:26:13,550 --> 00:26:11,790 experiencing activity and and it's 481 00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:13,560 stressing them out and bugging them out 482 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:15,870 and we and we've seen were just having 483 00:26:21,410 --> 00:26:17,610 the support system and working with the 484 00:26:25,290 --> 00:26:21,420 clients for a period of time you know 485 00:26:27,690 --> 00:26:25,300 giving them information and and 486 00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:27,700 because having it near to listen to what 487 00:26:33,690 --> 00:26:30,640 they're saying where they start to in 488 00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,700 turn feel better like about the whatever 489 00:26:37,860 --> 00:26:35,200 situation like they can deal with the 490 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:37,870 better that can cope with it better if 491 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:39,990 it comes back or if it arises again 492 00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:43,120 where and I you know we've seen that 493 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:43,720 before 494 00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:48,030 one thing I just pop them up my head was 495 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:52,540 if somebody has PTSD from from a non 496 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:56,130 paranormal event um and then they have 497 00:27:00,330 --> 00:26:58,690 let's say they move into a home that's 498 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:00,340 haunted and you start having paranormal 499 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:04,210 events are they more likely to have PTSD 500 00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:05,530 from that because they've already 501 00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:12,270 suffered that before yes it yeah yeah 502 00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:15,040 happens in a number of times even if 503 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:17,800 even if they have a second event that 504 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:21,130 isn't paranormal it can make they call 505 00:27:28,290 --> 00:27:25,210 that complex PTSD where say they have a 506 00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:28,300 car accident and then two years later 507 00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:30,070 they have another car accident and 508 00:27:34,290 --> 00:27:31,720 during the first car accident they 509 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:34,300 develop symptoms of PTSD and it took 510 00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:37,690 them a long time to get through the on 511 00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:40,600 are they still having symptoms from the 512 00:27:46,410 --> 00:27:43,840 evening after couple years and they have 513 00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:46,420 another traumatic events on top of that 514 00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:50,080 yeah it turns into complex via PTSD 515 00:27:58,110 --> 00:27:53,860 which means it's been exacerbated by 516 00:28:02,360 --> 00:27:58,120 another traumatic incident and they have 517 00:28:05,820 --> 00:28:02,370 to work through it more intensely and 518 00:28:09,030 --> 00:28:05,830 maybe get different types of treatments 519 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:09,040 in order to be able to be okay again so 520 00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:11,610 just think of a family that everyday 521 00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:15,840 there yeah a startling experience it's 522 00:28:28,910 --> 00:28:22,360 it's really really difficult for family 523 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:28,920 so my first priorities when we fight 524 00:28:36,810 --> 00:28:32,170 when someone calls for an investigation 525 00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,820 as if if there's children in the family 526 00:28:41,260 --> 00:28:38,960 we put them as the first priority 527 00:28:45,490 --> 00:28:41,270 and then make sure we get the people 528 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:45,500 that we know are coping well with having 529 00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:49,090 paranormal experiences other people who 530 00:28:59,380 --> 00:28:52,460 regret about it and it's more educated 531 00:29:04,720 --> 00:28:59,390 about paranormal and understand that it 532 00:29:07,450 --> 00:29:04,730 happens and it's really they're open to 533 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:07,460 it they usually are able to cope a 534 00:29:12,850 --> 00:29:09,650 little bit better than person it doesn't 535 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:12,860 ever believe on that part of it that 536 00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:16,130 there's some able to be spirits beyond 537 00:29:25,870 --> 00:29:21,070 life so we we set the priorities we 538 00:29:30,730 --> 00:29:25,880 evaluate which case we needed to do 539 00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:30,740 first before we we even go to their 540 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:32,540 house and we talk to them on the phone 541 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:36,770 and get as much information and I listen 542 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:38,930 to phone and evaluate how they're coping 543 00:29:49,660 --> 00:29:42,290 with things like theater my angle and 544 00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:49,670 then we have a minister on our team we 545 00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:52,400 have medical people on our team we have 546 00:30:00,460 --> 00:29:55,070 people that are they have psychic 547 00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:00,470 abilities and we have people that are 548 00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,550 really on top of the science part of it 549 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:09,200 maybe even have an electrical engineer 550 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:14,450 and um we it's the holistic way of 551 00:30:21,330 --> 00:30:18,290 dealing with the paranormal no matter 552 00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:21,340 what type of incident were working on 553 00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:25,190 and that's what we encourage other teams 554 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:28,220 to have somebody just you know just goes 555 00:30:37,230 --> 00:30:32,650 in and once trying to get evidence isn't 556 00:30:39,610 --> 00:30:37,240 really doing the what should be done 557 00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:39,620 professionals always take the family 558 00:30:47,410 --> 00:30:43,430 into consideration and try to do the 559 00:30:50,369 --> 00:30:47,420 best for the family situation whether 560 00:30:53,230 --> 00:30:50,379 it's paranormal or not 561 00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:53,240 okay everybody we will be right back 562 00:30:56,169 --> 00:30:54,559 after this commercial break 563 00:31:01,230 --> 00:30:56,179 you are listening to para ver cyl 564 00:31:07,899 --> 00:31:04,419 what a matchup and what a t-mike 565 00:31:10,419 --> 00:31:07,909 MetroPCS in the iPhone se for $0 on a 566 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:10,429 network that covers 99% of people in the 567 00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:10,970 US 568 00:31:16,930 --> 00:31:14,840 oho impressive play with the best switch 569 00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:16,940 to metro pcs and an unlimited LTE plan 570 00:31:21,820 --> 00:31:19,600 and get a 32 gig iPhone se for $0 571 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:21,830 MetroPCS covers not available in some 572 00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:23,210 areas plus sales tax claim based on 573 00:31:25,629 --> 00:31:24,799 talking text not know attractive numbers 574 00:31:27,399 --> 00:31:25,639 currently on the t-mobile network 575 00:31:28,779 --> 00:31:27,409 directive on 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00:33:21,890 psychotropic and other mind-altering 618 00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:26,600 drugs having paranormal events caused 619 00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:29,420 this person great turmoil or even make 620 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:39,790 good question max thank you what usually 621 00:33:47,140 --> 00:33:42,890 happens is that if someone has 622 00:33:53,670 --> 00:33:47,150 struggling with hallucinations and 623 00:34:02,830 --> 00:33:56,950 and usually the from a psychological 624 00:34:05,890 --> 00:34:02,840 perspective they just deal with them as 625 00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:05,900 hallucinations but it's it's good to 626 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:08,360 realize that it could be just elusive 627 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:13,810 ations it could be if the person 628 00:34:19,899 --> 00:34:16,850 describes it it could be just paranormal 629 00:34:20,860 --> 00:34:19,909 and was misdiagnosed as having 630 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:20,870 hallucinations 631 00:34:26,409 --> 00:34:24,169 for the third option of course is the 632 00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:26,419 person does struggle with the loosen 633 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:29,240 ations and his psychic abilities and 634 00:34:35,980 --> 00:34:33,850 they actually home encounters spirits 635 00:34:40,980 --> 00:34:35,990 and sometimes it's hard for them to 636 00:34:44,110 --> 00:34:40,990 distinguish between the two and it's 637 00:34:47,710 --> 00:34:44,120 always good to remember that those three 638 00:34:51,970 --> 00:34:47,720 scenarios can happen and people on the 639 00:34:56,850 --> 00:34:51,980 endless they when those things happen if 640 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:00,250 that it's less likelihood that they 641 00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:01,910 would would become a danger to 642 00:35:07,740 --> 00:35:06,320 themselves or a danger to others if they 643 00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:07,750 have 644 00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:09,750 [Music] 645 00:35:16,190 --> 00:35:13,440 a difficulty because there are all of a 646 00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:16,200 sudden in a situation where they are 647 00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:20,310 having parent almost experiences that 648 00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:25,260 they had never had before that could be 649 00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:27,180 confusing and they really need support 650 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:29,580 and it's really important for a team 651 00:35:38,420 --> 00:35:33,900 that on think counter someone like to 652 00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:38,430 have to get a psychotherapist early help 653 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:42,350 either psychiatrists or psychologists or 654 00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:47,820 a therapist like I am to make sure that 655 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:50,630 they understand what things are 656 00:35:59,570 --> 00:35:56,010 happening to them and Thea helps 657 00:36:06,100 --> 00:35:59,580 decrease the likelihood that people they 658 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:06,110 could be come a danger to themselves I 659 00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,010 hope that answer your question max you 660 00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:13,680 know I like the holistic approach you 661 00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:19,310 brought up before um you know when is it 662 00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:22,950 but then W pass every case we work at 663 00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:26,310 we're all looking at these cases from 664 00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:28,470 different angles you know it's like it's 665 00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:29,910 like a wagon wheel and we're all 666 00:36:37,220 --> 00:36:35,160 individual spokes and it's good because 667 00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:37,230 we know where we're covering everything 668 00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:40,980 a well rounded which is important you 669 00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:43,560 know and the other thing is when we all 670 00:36:48,620 --> 00:36:46,680 can agree on in the middle look at the 671 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:48,630 center that will we know we're on this 672 00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:54,290 and I think having that approach is is 673 00:37:00,620 --> 00:36:56,910 helps in the success that we have 674 00:37:04,940 --> 00:37:00,630 because you know we have a real good 675 00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:04,950 success rate that Chloe proud of you 676 00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:10,240 working paranormal cases you know can be 677 00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:12,470 difficult there's so many factors and 678 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:16,190 aspects and you know there's a lot of 679 00:37:26,350 --> 00:37:21,290 you know psychology involved and does 680 00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:26,360 does your family support your work and 681 00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:27,710 paranormal research what do they think 682 00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:31,910 about Tom as a colonel investigating my 683 00:37:40,260 --> 00:37:35,030 family yes um well my daughter who is on 684 00:37:45,490 --> 00:37:40,270 chat right now Colleen is all for it and 685 00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:45,500 but my wife is afraid that I'll get some 686 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:47,720 attachment to some spirit and bring it 687 00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:55,130 home so I always make sure I pray before 688 00:38:03,400 --> 00:37:58,640 I go to a site and pray when I leave a 689 00:38:05,470 --> 00:38:03,410 site and that's of course I ready access 690 00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:05,480 to a paranormal team of something ends 691 00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:07,820 up at my house so we have another 692 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:10,220 question and this question comes from 693 00:38:14,830 --> 00:38:12,650 Don and friends Elmer people with 694 00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:14,840 dementia I see many people who are not 695 00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:17,240 there is there a chance that they are 696 00:38:25,770 --> 00:38:20,270 seeing spirits no that might be a case 697 00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:25,780 where they have dementia and and also 698 00:38:34,570 --> 00:38:30,470 paranormal abilities so as long as they 699 00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:34,580 don't rule out the possibility and be 700 00:38:40,140 --> 00:38:37,180 aware of that what one thing would be to 701 00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:40,150 say the person is in a nursing home and 702 00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:44,720 to be calling their paranormal team and 703 00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:46,430 if they're getting the hope 704 00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:49,730 psychological or other it ready on see 705 00:38:58,810 --> 00:38:55,220 if the team members of psychic gifts can 706 00:39:03,940 --> 00:38:58,820 pick up any spirits in their location to 707 00:39:07,390 --> 00:39:03,950 rule that part out and all the people 708 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:07,400 that are you know closer to the end of 709 00:39:14,770 --> 00:39:11,690 their life maybe is a senior experiences 710 00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:14,780 they I know my grandmother a month 711 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:16,540 before she died she was living with us 712 00:39:21,339 --> 00:39:20,330 saw my grandfather who already passed 713 00:39:23,469 --> 00:39:21,349 away 714 00:39:27,579 --> 00:39:23,479 on the sidewalk out front of her house 715 00:39:29,349 --> 00:39:27,589 and he was calling to her and I really 716 00:39:31,539 --> 00:39:29,359 believed that she really saw him it 717 00:39:35,049 --> 00:39:31,549 wasn't the fact that she was getting a 718 00:39:38,469 --> 00:39:35,059 little bit more confused and then she 719 00:39:43,989 --> 00:39:38,479 died a month later so you have to be 720 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:43,999 open open to all possibilities um so I 721 00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:46,130 hope that answered your question doing 722 00:39:50,349 --> 00:39:48,680 that again and again and the checks and 723 00:39:52,749 --> 00:39:50,359 balances are really important too you 724 00:39:55,359 --> 00:39:52,759 know I'm like you said like if you have 725 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:55,369 a situation and you know it could be 726 00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,650 this it could be that let's see what the 727 00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:00,079 science says let's see what the psychics 728 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:03,920 say let's see you know and just evaluate 729 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:09,890 all that and another thing is - is uh so 730 00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:14,089 I D me personally I like like some 731 00:40:21,150 --> 00:40:18,160 people will go see a psychiatrist and 732 00:40:24,219 --> 00:40:21,160 he'll spend maybe ten minutes with them 733 00:40:27,819 --> 00:40:24,229 you know and he's written a prescription 734 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:27,829 out and send them on their way and and 735 00:40:33,549 --> 00:40:31,369 you know some people get help from these 736 00:40:35,229 --> 00:40:33,559 but it seems to me a lot of people don't 737 00:40:36,430 --> 00:40:35,239 like the descriptions of work or they 738 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:36,440 got to try something different or 739 00:40:39,849 --> 00:40:38,390 something different and another thing 740 00:40:41,439 --> 00:40:39,859 and another thing and they're not 741 00:40:44,349 --> 00:40:41,449 getting better but now they're having 742 00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:44,359 side effects I just think that uh you 743 00:40:51,219 --> 00:40:48,680 know um it it's better and proper to 744 00:40:54,699 --> 00:40:51,229 analyze things more deeply and not just 745 00:40:56,529 --> 00:40:54,709 jump to conclusions you know I I like 746 00:40:58,539 --> 00:40:56,539 that person I like that you're a 747 00:41:00,789 --> 00:40:58,549 psychotherapist and a psychiatrist for 748 00:41:01,979 --> 00:41:00,799 that reason I mean that's that's 749 00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:01,989 wonderful 750 00:41:08,439 --> 00:41:05,630 have you ever experienced anything that 751 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:08,449 really frightened you nothing in a 752 00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:11,690 paranormal because my belief that there 753 00:41:20,549 --> 00:41:13,369 is an afterlife and that there can be 754 00:41:24,579 --> 00:41:20,559 spirits has I think it's 755 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:24,589 bolsters my ability that if I ever do 756 00:41:31,269 --> 00:41:26,690 see his spirit that I'll be okay with it 757 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:31,279 I have seen to true um unexplained 758 00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:35,130 things one was a cat so that was 759 00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:38,820 spirit cat and that was only for our 760 00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:41,760 three seconds under cocktail table it 761 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:44,220 was three o'clock in the morning and I 762 00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,730 was - um I wasn't startled at all 763 00:41:52,820 --> 00:41:49,920 you know it's I don't think I had enough 764 00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:52,830 energy I was so tired that I would have 765 00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:56,280 been started okay it was away and then I 766 00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:00,960 saw a dark entity when our minister 767 00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:05,940 Minister Minister person was blessing a 768 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:10,500 house and I I was at the front door 769 00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:13,170 because when that blessing occurs 770 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:14,460 they're supposed to have a window or a 771 00:42:20,180 --> 00:42:17,370 door open so I was at the door and there 772 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:20,190 was two kittens in the house so I was 773 00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:22,290 making sure the kittens didn't run out 774 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:23,640 the door because his middle of winter 775 00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:26,730 but he did see a dark entity about the 776 00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:28,740 same size as a kitten maybe a little 777 00:42:34,850 --> 00:42:32,640 bigger completely black you know I saw 778 00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:34,860 it out with my right eye and I then I 779 00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:38,430 saw with both eyes and it was walking 780 00:42:44,570 --> 00:42:41,520 out the front door and it was going 781 00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:44,580 along the baseboard of the hallway out 782 00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:47,070 the front door that's my own and it 783 00:42:51,290 --> 00:42:48,750 didn't freak me out either I just 784 00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:51,300 because I had knowledge that that 785 00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:53,100 couldn't happen and sure enough it did I 786 00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:56,060 was excited that I was able to see that 787 00:43:02,990 --> 00:42:58,170 that's the only two paranormal 788 00:43:05,330 --> 00:43:03,000 experiences I've had and what happens 789 00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:05,340 with me even though I'm not involved 790 00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:10,140 with seeing the spirits - I've witnessed 791 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:12,540 the amazing change that people have 792 00:43:17,660 --> 00:43:14,850 after we do an investigation like that 793 00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:17,670 in an atmosphere in the house I pick up 794 00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:19,950 on the atmosphere and I notice how more 795 00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:22,740 relaxed that people are using my skills 796 00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:26,160 of reading people and so I really 797 00:43:34,970 --> 00:43:31,260 believe that um the paranormal exists 798 00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:34,980 and unexplained exists and we have to be 799 00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:36,540 able to accept it so hope more 800 00:43:43,820 --> 00:43:39,660 psychotherapists will pick up a debt so 801 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:43,830 they don't make incorrect diagnosis and 802 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:46,650 just to clarify on the incident with the 803 00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:49,050 cat the coffee table 804 00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:52,340 I saw at the same time Tom saw it and 805 00:43:59,540 --> 00:43:56,310 oddly enough three days later when I 806 00:44:05,150 --> 00:43:59,550 realized that same cat followed me home 807 00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,160 and it's still here suspected ly no live 808 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:07,440 you know it's funny because I don't see 809 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:10,650 stuff and like you know since we're 810 00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,810 talking about this I was sitting in my 811 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:14,400 chair over here and this just happened 812 00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:16,050 right afterwards and by the way one of 813 00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:17,730 the claims turned out to be a ghost cat 814 00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:20,280 in this house so now you got two people 815 00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:21,660 that saw it okay 816 00:44:28,820 --> 00:44:25,500 and the claim we get back couple days 817 00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:28,830 later I have a buddy over here right I'm 818 00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:33,270 sitting in the chair and he's sitting on 819 00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:36,900 the couch and right off to my right side 820 00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:39,180 I seen this black thing shoot the crowd 821 00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:42,990 or I go across the kitchen floor and it 822 00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:46,200 looked like it went in to where the door 823 00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,790 to the cabinet where the kitchen sink 824 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:49,680 was it was really fast and it was just a 825 00:44:54,350 --> 00:44:53,010 split second and I looked over you know 826 00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:54,360 and of course it was gone by time you 827 00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:57,300 look over and I looked back and I wasn't 828 00:44:59,840 --> 00:44:58,650 gonna say anything to Mike buddy you 829 00:45:01,520 --> 00:44:59,850 know I wasn't gonna say anything then 830 00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:01,530 until I looked over and I saw his eyes 831 00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:04,440 were wide I'm like did you see that he 832 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:07,350 was I did see that Michael huh what is 833 00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:09,210 that so now I got to go look because he 834 00:45:12,140 --> 00:45:09,960 saw it too 835 00:45:14,330 --> 00:45:12,150 so I'm thinking I got a big rodent or 836 00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:14,340 something in the house so I get on all 837 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:16,920 fours I walk over to where a shot and 838 00:45:20,900 --> 00:45:19,050 I'm looking for any place that it could 839 00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:20,910 have gone like up under something or 840 00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:22,950 there was no where anything could have 841 00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:25,140 gone I mean it literally and all I can 842 00:45:29,690 --> 00:45:28,200 say is that is when we see a ghost cat 843 00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:29,700 that's that's what she's talking about I 844 00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:31,980 mean I've seen it too when and 845 00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:36,030 we never had it before that case no we 846 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:39,540 didn't and several other sensitive 847 00:45:46,430 --> 00:45:41,850 psychically gifted people in our society 848 00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:46,440 have actually seen the same cat so I 849 00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:48,630 mean if that's not validation how about 850 00:45:54,500 --> 00:45:50,760 the one of them who asked if we had a 851 00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,510 cat because he was having a yeah one new 852 00:45:59,780 --> 00:45:56,000 member and we can't mention his name 853 00:46:02,120 --> 00:45:59,790 we'll just call him member X he came 854 00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:02,130 over for a meeting and he was having an 855 00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:02,560 alert 856 00:46:07,410 --> 00:46:05,350 reaction and during the meeting he asked 857 00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:07,420 if we had had a cap because he was 858 00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:09,550 allergic to cats he was literally having 859 00:46:14,070 --> 00:46:11,950 some kind of an allergic reaction so 860 00:46:15,780 --> 00:46:14,080 we're sitting there going okay now how 861 00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:15,790 do you tell a new person that's 862 00:46:19,890 --> 00:46:17,470 interested in joining your society that 863 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:19,900 you have a ghost cat hanging around and 864 00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:21,970 that same cat may be responsible so 865 00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:24,390 you're out your allergic reaction 866 00:46:31,050 --> 00:46:26,920 because we don't have cats or otherwise 867 00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:31,060 I mean but anyways back to the know it's 868 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:36,070 pretty cool though so what is the best 869 00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,130 advice you could give other mental 870 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:41,200 health professionals who are considering 871 00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:45,730 investigating the paranormal well make 872 00:46:53,010 --> 00:46:49,150 sure you find a team that is diverse is 873 00:46:57,780 --> 00:46:53,020 the team we have up here and make sure 874 00:47:02,000 --> 00:46:57,790 people are open to the fact that you're 875 00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:02,010 there to help and not just there to take 876 00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:06,070 advantage of someone or just get 877 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:10,390 evidence of spirits and that really deal 878 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:12,610 with the people and health the people um 879 00:47:17,310 --> 00:47:16,330 I think if you have to hear like we say 880 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:17,320 here you have to have really good 881 00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:20,530 intentions and then and then it really 882 00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:22,750 really works you you make a difference 883 00:47:29,580 --> 00:47:26,400 in the field so I encourage 884 00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:29,590 psychotherapists whether they're 885 00:47:38,130 --> 00:47:33,160 psychiatrists psychologists or masters 886 00:47:42,750 --> 00:47:38,140 level therapists to be open to it 887 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:42,760 because I think there is a more of an 888 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:44,890 awakening happening and more people are 889 00:47:51,870 --> 00:47:48,670 believing in that there are things 890 00:47:55,170 --> 00:47:51,880 beyond the physical environment we end 891 00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:55,180 up here on earth and that's going to 892 00:48:02,100 --> 00:47:57,760 change and they have to to change how 893 00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:02,110 they perceive people that they just 894 00:48:10,590 --> 00:48:04,150 assume is just hallucinations or 895 00:48:12,540 --> 00:48:10,600 delusions right again like jumping 896 00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:12,550 instantly to the conclusion that it's 897 00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:13,900 not paranormal could be as bad as 898 00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:15,710 instantly jumping to the conclusion 899 00:48:24,460 --> 00:48:21,200 yes you know exactly and it's like it's 900 00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:24,470 like Tom elaborated you know one of the 901 00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:26,030 things you need to do when you if you're 902 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:27,950 having activity in your home and you 903 00:48:32,530 --> 00:48:30,050 want to call it a team do your research 904 00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:32,540 on them make sure that they're credible 905 00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:33,680 make sure that they've been out there 906 00:48:37,870 --> 00:48:35,660 for a long time and they have a lot of 907 00:48:39,339 --> 00:48:37,880 experience under their belt you know 908 00:48:41,170 --> 00:48:39,349 make sure it's not one of those slide by 909 00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:41,180 night teams that tell you that want to 910 00:48:46,990 --> 00:48:43,640 help you but come in get it catch an EVP 911 00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:47,000 take a few photos and use provocation 912 00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:49,190 and cause you more problems than you 913 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:52,310 started with and just leave because they 914 00:48:58,810 --> 00:48:54,890 got what they wanted you want to find a 915 00:49:04,390 --> 00:48:58,820 well-rounded credible society to work 916 00:49:05,980 --> 00:49:04,400 with right and I also think doing things 917 00:49:08,859 --> 00:49:05,990 for the right reasons generally keeps 918 00:49:14,109 --> 00:49:08,869 the investigator safer like I feel like 919 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:14,119 you know there are again that's it's to 920 00:49:18,430 --> 00:49:15,890 me it's one of the elements of being 921 00:49:20,170 --> 00:49:18,440 protected even if you're doing things 922 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:20,180 for the right reasons I about anything 923 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:22,690 in life you're gonna fare much better 924 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:25,010 and if you go in and trying to appease 925 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:28,130 yourself or you know whatever the case 926 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:31,970 may be you know um yeah and we've seen 927 00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:34,570 that with with other you know it's a 928 00:49:38,740 --> 00:49:35,750 fact 929 00:49:42,970 --> 00:49:38,750 we'll get calls and from people who have 930 00:49:45,490 --> 00:49:42,980 had other you know teams in the past you 931 00:49:46,450 --> 00:49:45,500 know come in and and and they don't know 932 00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:46,460 any different they don't know what the 933 00:49:49,450 --> 00:49:47,540 team's supposed to do really all they 934 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:49,460 know is what they seen on TV and that's 935 00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:51,770 not always you know the best example 936 00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:53,510 either because that's scripted a lot 937 00:50:02,170 --> 00:49:59,359 there's a lot of you know it's some of 938 00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,180 its real but a lot of its not you know 939 00:50:07,390 --> 00:50:04,640 and again like the examples we have are 940 00:50:08,740 --> 00:50:07,400 on TV you know some of them are good but 941 00:50:11,260 --> 00:50:08,750 then you get some where they do the 942 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:11,270 provoking and then you know they do this 943 00:50:17,490 --> 00:50:14,570 and they do that and these cases take 944 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:17,500 more than just a night to work you know 945 00:50:24,849 --> 00:50:23,930 guaranteed every time how about I think 946 00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:24,859 what kind of things would you like to 947 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:28,760 see from the paranormal community in the 948 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:36,609 um that's a good question what I would 949 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:39,170 like to see from paranormal community is 950 00:50:46,330 --> 00:50:41,330 just what we're talking about you know 951 00:50:48,540 --> 00:50:46,340 having expect for the living but also 952 00:50:51,970 --> 00:50:48,550 having respect for the dead 953 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:51,980 you know the idea of probic provocation 954 00:50:59,740 --> 00:50:57,170 as provocation is is really a difficulty 955 00:51:04,960 --> 00:50:59,750 for me to see on some television shows 956 00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:04,970 um if you're provoking a dark evil 957 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:08,720 spirit that's the wrong thing to do and 958 00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:16,450 if you're provoking a human spirit that 959 00:51:24,580 --> 00:51:20,680 is on the dark side they might retaliate 960 00:51:27,849 --> 00:51:24,590 and if it's an inhuman spirit under dark 961 00:51:30,730 --> 00:51:27,859 side then they do probably get a lot of 962 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:30,740 consequences that you didn't want to so 963 00:51:40,359 --> 00:51:33,490 it's really important to be respectful 964 00:51:42,849 --> 00:51:40,369 of the outside of what's going on - yeah 965 00:51:44,140 --> 00:51:42,859 because we you know ly tell people that 966 00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:44,150 when we go into these places 967 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:46,250 it's dangerous to use provocation 968 00:51:50,109 --> 00:51:48,050 because when you get called so whether 969 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:50,119 they're public places or residential 970 00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,570 homes you don't know what you're walking 971 00:51:57,849 --> 00:51:55,280 in so you don't know what type of entity 972 00:51:59,859 --> 00:51:57,859 whether it is human or not so doing 973 00:52:01,780 --> 00:51:59,869 anything to do to get a response for 974 00:52:05,859 --> 00:52:01,790 provocation it's just flat-out wrong and 975 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:05,869 disrespectful because you're doing that 976 00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:08,570 to get a reaction that you want to catch 977 00:52:12,250 --> 00:52:09,980 something and then it's like I said a 978 00:52:16,410 --> 00:52:12,260 few minutes ago you get me one and see 979 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:21,400 well let's ask Tom this what do you 980 00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:22,970 think is the best evidence that 981 00:52:36,190 --> 00:52:28,220 validates paranormal activity the best 982 00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:36,200 evidence is something like that you know 983 00:52:48,099 --> 00:52:44,770 using some devices that be here backups 984 00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:48,109 that from other devices is one thing to 985 00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:53,359 happen other evidence for me it's a 986 00:52:59,859 --> 00:52:56,420 parent it would really make a difference 987 00:53:03,490 --> 00:52:59,869 in people's lives we could like we can 988 00:53:06,339 --> 00:53:03,500 tell the atmosphere in Doha is 989 00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:06,349 completely different the people feel a 990 00:53:12,670 --> 00:53:09,560 lot more relaxed and even though I don't 991 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:12,680 see any you know spirits on the psychic 992 00:53:23,070 --> 00:53:16,450 people who have all these abilities are 993 00:53:27,820 --> 00:53:23,080 able to work with the spirits is so that 994 00:53:31,060 --> 00:53:27,830 they can move on or we start learning to 995 00:53:36,910 --> 00:53:31,070 respect the living people in the house 996 00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:36,920 and with our team it seems like we're 997 00:53:42,820 --> 00:53:40,720 very successful I'm trying to do that oh 998 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:42,830 we only have five minutes left 999 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:49,930 yeah I fly so fast too fast okay well 1000 00:53:57,339 --> 00:53:53,690 let's see with a couple minutes left and 1001 00:54:00,190 --> 00:53:57,349 we have no questions left in chat why 1002 00:54:05,140 --> 00:54:00,200 don't we just ask you uh final thoughts 1003 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:10,000 do you see yourself doing this until how 1004 00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:11,650 long do you see yourself doing this for 1005 00:54:23,950 --> 00:54:16,220 as long you two guys are young enough to 1006 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:23,960 keep alrighty Tom thank you so much for 1007 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:26,330 coming on tonight thank you for being 1008 00:54:28,180 --> 00:54:28,010 here with us in the studio how cool is 1009 00:54:30,099 --> 00:54:28,190 that 1010 00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:30,109 yeah I was such a blast having you on 1011 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:33,260 thank you so much I really enjoyed it 1012 00:54:37,210 --> 00:54:35,810 and yeah everybody I can't tell you what 1013 00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:37,220 a blessing it's been to have Tom and the 1014 00:54:45,099 --> 00:54:42,260 team it's you know if any weight lifter 1015 00:54:48,730 --> 00:54:45,109 miss out there if you have a team and if 1016 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:48,740 you get an opportunity or you know to 1017 00:54:55,930 --> 00:54:52,970 pick up somebody an investigator who's 1018 00:54:58,809 --> 00:54:55,940 skills and and education in the mental 1019 00:55:02,740 --> 00:54:58,819 health field it really adds another 1020 00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:02,750 dynamic to what you're doing because I 1021 00:55:07,930 --> 00:55:06,710 can guarantee with these cases and the 1022 00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:07,940 work that we've done over this last 1023 00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:10,910 decade that uh there there is so much 1024 00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,380 there there's a lot of therapy that goes 1025 00:55:18,190 --> 00:55:13,760 on there's a lot of counseling that goes 1026 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:18,200 on and there are a lot of young 1027 00:55:22,690 --> 00:55:21,290 different traumas and and like the PTSD 1028 00:55:25,660 --> 00:55:22,700 and and there's just so many different 1029 00:55:28,930 --> 00:55:25,670 angles where something like Tom this is 1030 00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:28,940 a huge asset you know so if you get a 1031 00:55:33,730 --> 00:55:31,220 chance or or you know it doesn't hurt to 1032 00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:33,740 put feelers out you know we were 1033 00:55:41,890 --> 00:55:39,890 fortunate we were on we were on TV one 1034 00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:41,900 year and that's how Tom came across us 1035 00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:46,400 we were he had seen us on TV and he 1036 00:55:50,530 --> 00:55:49,130 wallet to here right you know and he and 1037 00:55:52,809 --> 00:55:50,540 he contacted us and he's been with us 1038 00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:52,819 ever since and I'm so glad sorry we are 1039 00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:54,770 super lucky and super blessed to have 1040 00:56:02,319 --> 00:55:58,640 him as a member of our society so next 1041 00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:02,329 week we have Tobias Weiland from 1042 00:56:08,170 --> 00:56:05,089 singular for TN oh nice 1043 00:56:12,970 --> 00:56:08,180 yes so we'll be talking to him about all 1044 00:56:14,260 --> 00:56:12,980 kinds of 14 things should be exciting to 1045 00:56:16,089 --> 00:56:14,270 the believer the evidence is 1046 00:56:18,430 --> 00:56:16,099 overwhelming into the skeptic there will 1047 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:18,440 never be enough thank you so everybody 1048 00:56:22,839 --> 00:56:20,210 in chat for your questions good 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